I never said you were a drunkard or a wife beater. I was just stating it is not slander. Watchtower doesn't announce why a disfellpwshiping occurs just that someone is longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses which is a true statement. And in a pleading under undisputed facts it would state that someone was disfellowshipped for something, not that they committed that act, unless that is stipulated that it occurred, but that is why a person was disfellowshipped.
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Disfellowshipping decision to go before Canadian Supreme Court
by Simon inhigh court will examine whether judicial review applies to membership decisions made by religious groups.
the supreme court of canada has agreed to hear an appeal involving a calgary man who was kicked out of his jehovah's witness church.. randy wall, a real estate agent was "disfellowshipped" from the highwood congregation for being drunk on two occasions and allegedly verbally abusing his wife.. as a result, he says his clients refused to do further business with him, so he argued his property and civil rights were affected.. after losing three internal church appeals of his expulsion, wall made an application with the court of queen's bench in calgary which ordered a hearing to first determine if there was jurisdiction for the court to hear the application.. decisions and appeals.
a judge decided the superior court did have jurisdiction to hear the application.. the church then appealed wall's decision to the alberta court of appeal, which upheld the court of queen's bench, affirming the court has jurisdiction to hear the matter.. one of the three appeal court judges dissented — arguing that congregations are private organizations akin to bridge clubs, whose decisions "are not enforceable promises and have limited, if any, impact outside its small circle.".
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Church gets own police force - are the Dubs next?
by SadElder injust read this article in the washington times.
other sites have similar stories.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/12/briarwood-presbyterian-alabama-megachurch-gets-sta/.
can you imagine the dubs with a sworn police force with arrest powers?.
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Richard Oliver
A couple of facts to remember about this. The church that this bill is meant for at least initially who wanted to do it is a huge church. It has about 4000 members, it has a seminary, a school and daycare. Second the officers would be sworn officers so they could only enforce state law it can be likened to many colleges have a police force for their property, they can only patrol on their property and enforce state laws. Fourth, the ACLU of Alabama has already said they will sue over this.
But churches have kind of done this to a degree already. The Mormon University BYU and the Catholic Notre Dame both have their own police force love.
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Disfellowshipping decision to go before Canadian Supreme Court
by Simon inhigh court will examine whether judicial review applies to membership decisions made by religious groups.
the supreme court of canada has agreed to hear an appeal involving a calgary man who was kicked out of his jehovah's witness church.. randy wall, a real estate agent was "disfellowshipped" from the highwood congregation for being drunk on two occasions and allegedly verbally abusing his wife.. as a result, he says his clients refused to do further business with him, so he argued his property and civil rights were affected.. after losing three internal church appeals of his expulsion, wall made an application with the court of queen's bench in calgary which ordered a hearing to first determine if there was jurisdiction for the court to hear the application.. decisions and appeals.
a judge decided the superior court did have jurisdiction to hear the application.. the church then appealed wall's decision to the alberta court of appeal, which upheld the court of queen's bench, affirming the court has jurisdiction to hear the matter.. one of the three appeal court judges dissented — arguing that congregations are private organizations akin to bridge clubs, whose decisions "are not enforceable promises and have limited, if any, impact outside its small circle.".
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Richard Oliver
It is possible that the information was inserted into a pleading and that is part of the factual background of the case. The pleading could read that the person was Disfellowshipped for drunkness on two occasions and for the beating of his wife. Because it could be said that is what he was disfellowshipped for and not make the claim that is what he did that is where the difference matters for slander.
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Disfellowshipping decision to go before Canadian Supreme Court
by Simon inhigh court will examine whether judicial review applies to membership decisions made by religious groups.
the supreme court of canada has agreed to hear an appeal involving a calgary man who was kicked out of his jehovah's witness church.. randy wall, a real estate agent was "disfellowshipped" from the highwood congregation for being drunk on two occasions and allegedly verbally abusing his wife.. as a result, he says his clients refused to do further business with him, so he argued his property and civil rights were affected.. after losing three internal church appeals of his expulsion, wall made an application with the court of queen's bench in calgary which ordered a hearing to first determine if there was jurisdiction for the court to hear the application.. decisions and appeals.
a judge decided the superior court did have jurisdiction to hear the application.. the church then appealed wall's decision to the alberta court of appeal, which upheld the court of queen's bench, affirming the court has jurisdiction to hear the matter.. one of the three appeal court judges dissented — arguing that congregations are private organizations akin to bridge clubs, whose decisions "are not enforceable promises and have limited, if any, impact outside its small circle.".
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Richard Oliver
ElderEtta that is why Watchtower doesn't announce why someone was Disfellowshipped. All that is announced is that someone is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses which is a true statement.
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Doe, et al v National Union Fire Insurance Company of Pittsburgh, PA.
by Richard Oliver inthis is a lawsuit brought by watchtower against an insurance company.
the company provided four insurance policies between 1989 and 1993. the policies were there to pay out any liability damages that would arise during that time from any damages caused by elders and mss advice.
there were a number of exceptions that were spelled out in the policy which included that of a sexual nature and that if an elder or ms violated a law then the payout would not qualify.
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Richard Oliver
The Dissenting opinion of the chief judge can be found at https://casetext.com/case/doe-v-natl-union-fire-ins-co-of-pittsburgh
If anyone wants the full opinion which is the majority opinion let me know and I will email you a PDF copy of it.
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Maddox v Integro USA, Inc, et al
by Richard Oliver ini know that this is old but going through and posting about every lawsuit that i can find in this decade with watchtower either good or bad if it has not already been posted.
this lawsuit was brought in the federal district court for the eastern district of louisana.
it involves a family whose mother had died at a district convention in 2011. the mother, patsy, was descending stairs at the convention which was held at the mitchell center in mobile, alabama when she fell and was fatally injured.
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Richard Oliver
Sorry I meant to write. Cemetary at Walkill not Cemetary and Walkill.
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Doe, et al v National Union Fire Insurance Company of Pittsburgh, PA.
by Richard Oliver inthis is a lawsuit brought by watchtower against an insurance company.
the company provided four insurance policies between 1989 and 1993. the policies were there to pay out any liability damages that would arise during that time from any damages caused by elders and mss advice.
there were a number of exceptions that were spelled out in the policy which included that of a sexual nature and that if an elder or ms violated a law then the payout would not qualify.
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Richard Oliver
This is a lawsuit brought by Watchtower against an insurance company. The company provided four insurance policies between 1989 and 1993. The policies were there to pay out any liability damages that would arise during that time from any damages caused by Elders and MSs advice. There were a number of exceptions that were spelled out in the policy which included that of a sexual nature and that if an elder or MS violated a law then the payout would not qualify. Apparently, 3 insurers filed a claim so that the insurance company would pay out for damages but the company refused to pay for it. There was a civil action and the insurance company won a summary judgment. The Plaintiffs appealed the decision and the appeals court reversed that decision and remanded it back to the court for a full trial. What I can glean from the case is that it is possible that the action that arose from the advice was that of child sexual abuse.
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Maddox v Integro USA, Inc, et al
by Richard Oliver ini know that this is old but going through and posting about every lawsuit that i can find in this decade with watchtower either good or bad if it has not already been posted.
this lawsuit was brought in the federal district court for the eastern district of louisana.
it involves a family whose mother had died at a district convention in 2011. the mother, patsy, was descending stairs at the convention which was held at the mitchell center in mobile, alabama when she fell and was fatally injured.
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Richard Oliver
CCJW is one of 8 or 9 corporations in the US that is used by the US branch office
Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses- Sponsors Conventions, Assemblies. Elders, MSs and Pioneers are appointed under their authority. It is has a letterhead that reads Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, most letters will come under that letterhead. It is basically the service department.
Kingdom Support Services- Facilitates activities at bethel and the transportation of literature if sent on US Branch trucks.
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York- They are the ones that actually do the printing of literature.
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania- They own the copyrights of the literature
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New Jersey- I forget what they own, I think that they were the original owners of the Stanley when the Branch bought the building
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Florida- They used to own an orange grove in Florida for the family.
Religious order of special full-time servants of Jehovah's Witnesses- all bethel family members along with traveling overseers and LDC full time members belong to this corporation.
Then there is one that owns the cemetery and Walkill. There is another that is the corporation that replaced the RBC which is at the branch.
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Maddox v Integro USA, Inc, et al
by Richard Oliver ini know that this is old but going through and posting about every lawsuit that i can find in this decade with watchtower either good or bad if it has not already been posted.
this lawsuit was brought in the federal district court for the eastern district of louisana.
it involves a family whose mother had died at a district convention in 2011. the mother, patsy, was descending stairs at the convention which was held at the mitchell center in mobile, alabama when she fell and was fatally injured.
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Richard Oliver
I know that this is old but going through and posting about every lawsuit that I can find in this decade with Watchtower either good or bad if it has not already been posted.
This lawsuit was brought in the Federal District Court for the Eastern District of Louisana. It involves a family whose mother had died at a District Convention in 2011. The mother, Patsy, was descending stairs at the convention which was held at the MItchell Center in Mobile, Alabama when she fell and was fatally injured.
The family brought the wrongful death lawsuit against the insurance company for the Mitchell Center which is the Integro USA and Old Republican Insurane Company, Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York. All three defendants filed a motion for summary judgment against the lawsuit. The Insurance company and CCJW had 4 arguments for dismissing the case.
First was that Patsy chose to go to the upper level and that contributed to her injury and that if she was too weak to go to the second level that she should not have chosen to go to that level. Second, that the stairs and gaps were open and obvious and that a reasonable person would have taken additional safety precautions as they walked up and down the stairs due to the obvious issues with the stairs. Third, was that the only obligation was to avoid any new and/or hidden dangers to the person using the equipment. Fourth that the case should be heard in Alabama and not in a federal court in Louisana.
The court ruled that the first three could not be resolved because the plaintiff still had some depositions to conduct and that the Rules of Federal Procedures requires that all Plaintiff depositions must be conducted before a motion for a summary judgment can be granted. The fourth issue the court ruled that the federal court can hear the case based on the diversity citizenship issues because the parties reside in different states.
Watchtower filed a motion for summary judgment based on the fact that they don't have any dealings with the conventions and cannot be held liable for anything done at the conventions. They supplied affidavits that in 2001 all dealings with District Conventions were taken over by CCJW and that at least since 2011 Watchtower no longer listed dates and locations of District Conventions in any of their publications. The court ruled that Watchtower did not have any dealings with the District Convention and could not be held liable for any actions that occurred at such an event, so it Watchtower was granted their motion.
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Pretoria resident says - before high court in South Africa - he is the anointed one !
by ZAPPA-ESQUE inpretoria [ south africa] - an unusual urgent application served before the gauteng high court this week,in which a lyttelton manor resident, who said he is was known as the “anointed one” among jehovah’s witnesses, asked the court to officially swear him in as the worldwide leader of the organisation.. ernest gericke, in papers before the court, told judge bill prinsloo that the “first business of the christ is the legal establishment of the kingdom of god on earth, known as the jehovah’s kingdom.” .
gericke said this involved the the conducting of a covenant for a kingdom, which is to take place on april 11. .
“in order to effect the legal requirements for the kingdom this honourable court is requested to hear the public oath of the office of the king.
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Richard Oliver
Another funny one was that a guy sued on behalf of Jehovah God, Jesus Christ and God's Holy Spirit against Arizona State University for copyright infringement of the Bible. The Federal Magistrate dismissed the case out hand and felt it was so ridiculous of a case that the judge refused to make the Marshall's serve the school with the paperwork over the lawsuit.